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Retired BOINC Projects => THESKYNET POGS => Topic started by: Dingo on October 08, 2012, 01:47:32 PM

Title: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on October 08, 2012, 01:47:32 PM
We have SETI.Germany screaming up behind us at POGS (http://boincstats.com/en/stats/137/team/list/0/0#2) and are contributing much more than us,   We will be overtaken by another Team in this First Australian project so I have moved 50% of my resources over to theSkyNet and left the other 50% on Constellation.

It would be good if we as a mainly Australian Team could hold off the other teams in this project.  :AUS:




Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: JugNut on October 08, 2012, 01:59:08 PM
Geesh!!   :boom:

I just finished moving the last of my cores off SN POGs to Constallation not an hour ago.  We need more cruncher's NOW!!

Whats that saying about a team divided?  Bashhead
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on October 08, 2012, 02:11:21 PM
The problem of over 4000 crunchers in the Team but only 30 or so look at the forums.  Stay over at Constellation till the challenge is finished now that you are there and come back to Pogs if you want after the challenge.  :dance2:

Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: JugNut on October 08, 2012, 02:24:55 PM
Shall do Dingo.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: LawryB on October 08, 2012, 03:30:42 PM

Me too.   All my MAC pogs failed this morning so that went over as well.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Agnew on October 08, 2012, 08:29:16 PM
Sorry, but I'm crunching SubsetSum@Home at the moment, trying to keep the team above our current ranking of 32, (as well as the usual Simap while work is available)
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Cruncher Pete on October 09, 2012, 11:27:43 AM
Agnew, I have to tell you that I am disappointed in your reply.  Whilst I am a members of this team, you should all be aware that I do not hold back and I will always call a spade a spade.

I admire you honesty of telling us that you are currently tied down to crunch a certain project because you hope to move us from position 32 or such.  That is fair enough for as far as I can gather form our policy is that you can and in deed are encouraged to crunch whatever you wish.  The problem is that we can not send emails to all of our members to encourage them to participate in a particular project and when we need extra power so to say we relay on people that actually visit the forum.

In this case, it is already too late for even if you join to help the team your results is likely to be still in pending by the time it is finished.

Please do not take this as an insult for it is not intended as such and i am only a Newbie here. I am trying to convey to all that sometimes your personal endeavours should be put aside for the sake of the Team Truly, the final comment from me is to continue doing whatever suits you best for in the end it will still be a help for Science and the Team.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on October 09, 2012, 01:20:09 PM
All members are free to crunch whatever projects they think are best for them OR the Team.   :rocks
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: LawryB on October 09, 2012, 02:09:06 PM
The problem of over 4000 crunchers in the Team but only 30 or so look at the forums. 



@Dingo.

Could challenges issued by BOINC@AUSTRALIA be the AAs of the future?   I'm suggesting that, perhaps we need something different to attract some of our silent majority.
Maybe we could make more use of Facebook as well because I'll bet a vast majority of the "silent many" already have Facebook accounts.
Maybe a dreaded email to explain what it is all about or point them at a Facebook entry(?)
I think I'd take note if I received an email saying BOINC@Australia has issued a challenge to the rest of the world etc etc. 
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: JugNut on October 09, 2012, 03:46:22 PM
I was thinking maybe a project of the month, week or year? Maybe all three?  So as when someone's not crunching there own pet project & "not" doing an AA they could easily see what team goals are and crunch one of those.  Could be voted by members or picked by our fearless leader or an appointed member?    Or pick in advance which challenge's the team should do so were all on the same page at the same time & ready for battle.

Or even a special AA, a drive for members with small prizes for most improved ect ect. (yes I'd be happy to donate a little) or just special icons that get added to peoples sig's for just one time of for ever for achievements & such.

I'm horrified to say it but maybe Lawry's right as well.  I've been on the internet long before it was fashionable & i've resisted facebook like the plague, but if that's what it takes to re-energise the teams/boards numbers then bring it on...

OK maybe some of my suggestions are a little lame but other teams do all or some these things anyway (I checked) & they could work for us too.  I'm just afraid if just a few more regulars leave the team it could be, well err a little empty around here.  While it's not that way yet, maybe it's time to try something different now rather than later.   I've grown very fond of this team & would like to see it grow from strength to strength.

I hope I haven't overstepped my mark?   Just trying to help out as best I know how.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: tazzduke on October 09, 2012, 08:21:32 PM
Well I only use it to connect with family back east and to see what tidbits my footy teams are putting out.

Otherwise, I will be swining my 4 cores back onto POGS on Friday, just got to 45K at LHC@home Classic, and need a couple of days to get it to 50K, then it will be full steam ahead at POGS

Regards
Tazzduke
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on October 09, 2012, 10:02:57 PM
I think we will stick with the AA's at the times that we have them.  AA's were first started to try and gain places in projects that the Team was down in or just on projects that we thought we could gain world positions in.  We do not advertise what projects we do the AA's on as that would warn any Team above us and negate the benefits.   I also do not want to send more emails than necessary to the Team, which is another reason to stick with the same numbers. 

 There is no problem in having mini AA's and in fact we have done that in the past.   I join all the BoincStats challenges for the Team as we crunch most projects as a team anyway and on average do fairly well.   There are also challenges that are on WCG that I join on behalf of the Team.

I occasionally put a post on the forum asking for support like I did for theSkyNet POGS this week but that is rare.

So in short anyone can start a Mini AA and/or have a Poll on a mini AA as long as they don't clash with the dates for AA's   (http://forum.boinc-australia.net/index.php?topic=737.0)

Keep on crunching....
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on October 29, 2012, 12:19:34 PM
Like to thank those members that came on board and we have increase our output measurably.  If we keep going the way we are we will hold onto second place easy, but will have to wait for the first place Team to fall off and go to other projects.  Thank you to all members of the Team that are crunching this project and especially Cruncher Pete who is the #1 cruncher.  :worship


 http://boincstats.com/en/stats/137/user/list/12/0/6 (http://boincstats.com/en/stats/137/user/list/12/0/6)

 http://boincstats.com/en/stats/137/team/list/0/0#2 (http://boincstats.com/en/stats/137/team/list/0/0#2)

 
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Cruncher Pete on October 29, 2012, 05:23:25 PM
Thank you Dingo for the accolades, however, I see it the same way as you for POGS is an Australian project and we as Aussies should support it as best we could.  Admittedly, we no longer have the crunching power as once we had for RL and in particular cost of power has effected all of us.  Personally, I could nearly double my output but I need to watch it and it depends how much sunshine I am getting during the day to help paying for the costs.   At the same token whilst I admit that it cost me a lot of money to have a farm like I have, it would not worth a thing if I was to swap and change between applications.  I am staying here for as long as needed to make our presence felt.  It does not matter if you are only running a lap top as long as you work out what is the best project for you to crunch either for you or the Team.  It is a win win situation for we all benefit from your efforts in the end.  You are encouraged to crunch what you feel is best for you, but for me at the moment POGS has the leading edge for the team and therefore I will do my best for we might not have the power to be first, let us at least be second.. :rocks
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: tazzduke on October 29, 2012, 08:44:59 PM
Greetings Dingo,

Back onboard, been a bit hit and miss for the last few weeks, but have put at least 2 cores onto it (only got 4 cores). 

Happy Crunching

Regards
Tazzduke
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: kashi on October 30, 2012, 01:57:36 PM
I've been exclusively POGS for CPU projects for a while now. WCG HCC GPU sucks 3 CPU cores during the day, but it's full speed ahead on POGS on those CPU cores at night. Much quieter for sleeping without GPU fan whine and GPU only uses power during the day.

The drop in hourly POGS credit when HCC GPU is running isn't as much as I thought as the POGS tasks speed up considerably when run on fewer CPU cores due to less contention. Although they reserve the 3 CPU cores exclusively, the HCC GPU tasks only actually use a full CPU core for 20 seconds at the start and about 45 seconds at the end of each task. The 3 concurrent tasks usually are not synchronised, so often only 1 CPU core is being fully used by HCC at a time. Hence speedy, low contention POGS processing.:thumbsup:

Maximum HCC credit on my setup with HT off and no CPU tasks running, maximum POGS credit with HT on and no HCC. Day/night compromise with HT on lets me contribute to both my current 2 favoured BOINC projects.v:

Well done to all supporting the team on theSkyNet POGS.    :congrats     :congrats

So good to finally have an Aussie BOINC project after so long. :AUS:

Go, go theSkyNet POGS and remember  :rocks
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on November 06, 2012, 11:02:08 AM
Looks like we are gaining very slowly on the #1 team since Dataman started crunching again in earnest.  With Cruncher Pete leading the Team in recent credit we have a chance at least to get to # 1 in the future.  We are holding our own and pulling away from number 3 Team n the world.



  Team stats from POGS  http://ec2-23-23-126-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/pogs/team_members.php?teamid=6&offset=0&sort_by=expavg_credit (http://ec2-23-23-126-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/pogs/team_members.php?teamid=6&offset=0&sort_by=expavg_credit)

  World Rankings from Pogs  http://ec2-23-23-126-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/pogs/top_teams.php (http://ec2-23-23-126-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/pogs/top_teams.php)


After the Radioactive sensor competition finishes I am hoping those resources will go back to this project ???
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dataman on November 07, 2012, 01:24:15 AM
Thanks Dingo. I have 40 of 80 running. I have some big medical expenses coming so will be a bit before I can get the other 40 going.
 :AUS: :USA1
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Mike Mitchell on November 07, 2012, 08:59:39 AM
medical expenses

We don't have those in Aus, but we do have really, really expensive electricity.  :faint:  Maybe it's a case of "swings and roundabouts"?  ???
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: LawryB on November 07, 2012, 09:19:35 AM
@Dataman.   Hope that which is causing the medical expense  passes without any problems.  I guess I don't really appreciate my free medical and dental uintil I see how much others have to pay.
Only another 40 cores to go, wow!!!
Oh yeah, add another couple of really(s) to Mike's comment about electricity.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: WikiWill on November 07, 2012, 12:15:20 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/sci-tech/your-pc-could-power-astronomical-research-20121106-28vyk.html
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: JugNut on November 07, 2012, 01:50:57 PM
Excellent find W.W.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on November 07, 2012, 03:10:53 PM
All contributions to any of the projects is greatly appreciated.    If you have one to 80 PC's it is the contribution to science that is appreciated and if I sometimes give credit to those that have a lot I also know that having one PC is also a great contribution.

 :AUS: :USA1,  :uk  and other countries,  So I say to all Team members large and small farms, lets  :dance2: up a storm and  :cheer1: for  :rocks and a big  :thanks1: from me.

Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Cruncher Pete on November 07, 2012, 04:10:33 PM
Now that I need not worry about the outcome of the sensor challenge and the sun has lost its effectiveness, I am putting all cores back on POGS.  Having said that, I am sorry to say that I will have a short period of absence (I hope) as I am being admitted to hospital on Friday for a heart Angiogram as two of my arteries in the heart are 75 and 50 % blocked.  Depending on the outcome of that they will carry out whatever is necessary to fix it in the short term like placing a stem in those arteries or schedule me for a bypass surgery.  So the bottom line is that if you do not see me around for awhile and my stats are 0 it is because I am in Hospital or in another world but I have not left the team
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dataman on November 07, 2012, 04:33:04 PM
Thanks much mates. It appears my eyes are not going to outlast me without an eye cutter. I'll be having double inter-occular implants over the next 4-5 weeks. They will be puting a new one in one and replacing an existing one that is starting to detach in the other. It is a routine procedure. What me worry? It is only ~$9,000 USD. Our health care system sucks. :thumbdown:
 :panic:
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dataman on November 07, 2012, 04:42:37 PM
Now that I need not worry about the outcome of the sensor challenge and the sun has lost its effectiveness, I am putting all cores back on POGS.  Having said that, I am sorry to say that I will have a short period of absence (I hope) as I am being admitted to hospital on Friday for a heart Angiogram as two of my arteries in the heart are 75 and 50 % blocked.  Depending on the outcome of that they will carry out whatever is necessary to fix it in the short term like placing a stem in those arteries or schedule me for a bypass surgery.  So the bottom line is that if you do not see me around for awhile and my stats are 0 it is because I am in Hospital or in another world but I have not left the team
Best of luck mate. Clogged? You are not drinking enough single-malt Scotch.  :jester:
 :AUS: :USA1
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: JugNut on November 07, 2012, 05:12:12 PM
@ dataman: Routine maybe, but scary as heck too i'm betting.   
Good luck anyway mate, even though i'm sure you won't need it.  Some of that medicine you prescibed for Pete's "clogged pipes" may help you as well :-)

@ Pete : Good luck as well mate.  You can tell us all about it when you get back home next week all safe & sound.   
And in case you hadn't read it... http://forum.boinc-australia.net/index.php?topic=1337.msg29555#msg29555 (http://forum.boinc-australia.net/index.php?topic=1337.msg29555#msg29555)  (err after your last post)

My thoughts & best wishes will be with you both.  ..JN..
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Mike Mitchell on November 07, 2012, 06:12:48 PM
It is only ~$9,000 USD. Our health care system sucks.

You could always migrate to Australia, you'd only have to wait two years for your residency, then five years for elective surgery. A torn knee ligament is still considered elective. Idiots!!  :hbang:

Our health system still has a way to go yet, but the emergency care is great and freeeee. Hell, when my gut gave out I was in theatre 35 minutes after arriving at hospital, 30 days later (DON'T SPEND 30 DAYS IN A PUBLIC HOSPITAL!!!) they sent me home with a cleaner, free food and a nurse every second day. However, six months latter when I was "fixed/healthy" enough for the follow up surgery, my new wound started leaking in the hospital "departure lounge". I ended up in another public hospital as an emergency and it was fixed. No free home help though. I was pissed off about that.

Anyway, I hope both you and Cruncher Pete do really well and recover quickly. It all brings back memories that suck bricks and to be avoided if possible.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: WikiWill on November 07, 2012, 07:45:52 PM
Good luck with the work, Pete and Dataman.  Fingers crossed it is all smooth and good news at the end.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: veebee on November 07, 2012, 09:30:17 PM
To both Pete and Dataman, best of luck guys, but luck plays less and less a role nowadays, as you said Data, almost "routine" procedures nowadays for both problems...

my Dad recently had a stent inserted Pete - no problems whatsoever...just wish he would get rid of the bloody cigarettes !!! coughs like... like a... like a man who has smoked way too many ciggies for way too many years.. but his brain tricks him into saying "Oh, Im 80, doesnt matter now..." Pffft - DOES matter to us kids and his Grandkids !


I think its almost time for a new build or an ugrade for me (a new build would be better.. and keep the then "spare i7" for AA's). More core power ! YAY !
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on November 08, 2012, 12:18:53 AM
@ Pete:  No worries buddy just take care and I hope all goes well.  You will be a new man when they unclog you  :cheers:

@ Dataman:  We have a two tiered Health system.  It is free if you do not take out Private Health Insurance, but you have to wait for years for operations.  If you do take out Private then you are looked after straight away as there are Private Hospitals.   I had to wait two years for a Colonoscopy, lucky that they didn't find too much.  I do not have Private as it is just too much for me at my age with the age penalty joining late.    Hope all goes well with your eyes  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: veebee on November 08, 2012, 11:12:26 AM
Mind you, when you HAVE private health insurance, even "Top Cover", you usually end up with a huge gap to pay ANYWAY... the only way pout of THAT, is to go to the INSURANCE Company's selected Doctors.. not one of your own choice... just found that out with my partner total knee replacement..

I pay around $120 a fortnight for top cover for the family, and we still had to fork out $2500+ to the surgeon himself, and just over $2000 to the anesthetist ... plus some medications expenses etc...  private health insurance is a joke.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dingo on November 08, 2012, 05:06:55 PM
Better than waiting for a few years in pain I think. I would pay it if I could because I am getting older and will need it sooner o later.  Need to win the lottery or something.

 I just did a quote for myself with full cover as a single and it came out to 14 % of my income so I can't afford it.  It's hell to be poor and not able to work.

Your quote
$114.76*
/fortnight
* Price for customers eligible for 30% Australian Government Rebate and nil Lifetime Health Cover Loading. Rebate levels vary from 0% to 40%.

I think I am eligible to both the discounts because of low income.
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Cruncher Pete on November 08, 2012, 06:02:11 PM
I know that we are off topic here as far as health insurance is concerned but I might as well add my two cents worth.  Like Dingo I did not have to worry about Health Insurance for the Army was covering it whilst I was in the service.  When I got out, I did not see the need for Private cover hence I accrued years and years of uncovered insurance.  Eventually I joined not for my sake but for my wife for I heard the years of wait for surgery in the public system,  As  a result, we are paying over$ 400.00 a month for private cover.  Yet, I had no problem when I was admitted to a local public hospital as an Emergency patient with severe pain in my groin which turned out to be a hernia and I was operated on the next day and I have to admit they did a wonderful job.  The next time I spent 10 days in the same hospital with my heart problem they also provided excellent care, however, they have noticed that I also had private insurance and asked me do I mind if they change my status from public to private as it will not cost me anything but the hospital will be able get some extra funds from the system as I am a private patient.  So it is a joke,  I am paying over $400.00 a month and weather you are public or private somebody will take advantage of it.  The care to me did not change...Tomorrow, I have to pay $200.00 up front  called an Out of Pucket Expence before I am admitted and I might only stay for a few hours but will be admitted all the same weather for one hour or 24 the charge is the same. It is a sick joke...
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dataman on November 09, 2012, 07:33:11 AM
Thanks for the kind words mates. I'll be OK. As Karen says, she is sure everything will be OK as she ain't going to be my seeing-eye bitch.  biggrin
 :AUS: :USA1 :uk
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: LawryB on November 09, 2012, 07:58:02 AM


Hmmmm!  leather  collar with studs, silk lead ,  Oh geez - enough enough   :wink
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dataman on November 09, 2012, 11:59:12 AM
 :rofl:
You are bent Lawry.
 :oz:
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: Dataman on November 22, 2012, 01:38:43 AM
I don't pretend to understand much of this but the scientists seem to be excited.
http://ec2-23-23-126-96.compute-1.amazonaws.com/pogs/
Keep on crunching.

 :AUS: :USA1 :uk
Title: Re: Need more Team crunching power
Post by: tazzduke on December 18, 2012, 10:42:23 PM
 :dance2:  :dance2:  :dance2:

Three cheers  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: to all members who kicked on with POGS after the AA, as of latest update, we are NUMBER 1

Well done team

Regards
Tazzduke