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Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 24, 2011, 01:35:13 PM
We have two members now.  biggrin I joined and put it on 3 cores of one machine. First three ran between 9 and 17 minutes. Quorum of 2 and one validated @ 7.55 credits for 1369 secondst. I noticed some wierd things. The %Completion never changed from 0.099% and the time continually increased and then they just suddenly ended. Even more wierd, for three of my wu's my wingman is me!! The same machine was send both the _0 and the _1 copy.  ??? I didn't know BOINC could/would do that. They have very few members ... maybe that's the reason. My first machine registered as #66.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dingo on January 24, 2011, 06:08:18 PM
I would report the wingman problem on their forum as that should not happen.  The idea of having two or more was so a single person could not manipulate the files and get over valued credit.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on January 24, 2011, 11:54:30 PM
    Pour le moment oui, c'est normal.
    Tant qu'il n'y a pas "beaucoup" d'utilisateurs, j'autorise que la même machine calcule deux fois la même UT. Je changerai probablement ça dans l'avenir (+ ou - proche ^^).

Approximate translation: As long as there are not “many” users, I authorize that the same machine calculates same UT twice. I will probably change that in the future...

3 members now.  ;D

I'm just doing a little because I'm still on the march to 250k at POEM.

   


Title: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 25, 2011, 08:12:59 AM
They have fixed the email problem and are correcting the mulitple wu/host, %complete and remaining time problems. Nice project to crunch with very good communication from the project admin.

 :aus1:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 25, 2011, 09:36:04 AM
Apparently  ??? Stat's are not being exported but a request to do so was posted in their forum.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 26, 2011, 04:18:37 AM
Stat's are now working.  :congrats

I am #2 in the project (for a brief moment)  :crazy

B@A is #2 team (just behind that unmentionable, unspeakable and unpronouncable  French team biggrin)  :dance2: :dance2:

 v:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dingo on January 26, 2011, 11:18:34 AM
Well for today anyway on BoincStats we are Team # 1 (http://boincstats.com/stats/team_stats.php?pr=evo&st=0#1)   :panic:  :dance2:

I put some PC's back onto the project just to try and keep us up there.  :rocks


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 26, 2011, 11:32:47 AM
Well for today anyway on BoincStats we are Team # 1 (http://boincstats.com/stats/team_stats.php?pr=evo&st=0#1)   :panic:  :dance2:

I put some PC's back onto the project just to try and keep us up there.  :rocks
Something happened to L'Alliance Francophone's stat's. They dropped 29 positions to 30th ... show no credits and negative previous week. Me thinks we should enjoy today as it is just a stat's hickcup. They were outpacing us almost 2 to 1.

I am leaving 30 cores there for a couple of days and then I have to ease back on the throttle. Nice project to crunch though.

 :cheers:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on January 26, 2011, 01:08:36 PM
Yes just a temporary stats glitch because they were previously the only team listed. Currently in 3rd. I'm in 21st position, haha. I will  stop POEM and give EVO 100% for a few days.

Not a big earner but runs smoothly on my computer. There is no shortage of work and just an occasional slowness when uploading results.

Go, go, EVO.   :thumbsup:   
                                                                                               :rocks


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 26, 2011, 02:24:10 PM
Yes just a temporary stats glitch because they were previously the only team listed. Currently in 3rd. I'm in 21st position, haha. I will  stop POEM and give EVO 100% for a few days.

Not a big earner but runs smoothly on my computer. There is no shortage of work and just an occasional slowness when uploading results.

Go, go, EVO.   :thumbsup:   
                                                                                               :rocks
That's the spirit kashi! POEM will be here for a long time as will you.  :wink I am waiting to go back when they have their GPU app (if I live that long  biggrin ). Some of the Base Campers hang out there.
Seems to me Evo would make a good AA candidate if it stays stable with a good flow of work. It not very resource intensive and should be good for older machines. Short, quick and easy wu's and credit is not great but OK.

Ok, I'll run with you for a while. Maybe we can at least make the French take notice.  ??? I'll have to shut down some cards to offset electricity. Funny ... before I got the SmartMeter, I got an electric bill once a month and I got depressed. Now I can go online and depress myself every day.  :rofl: :rofl: What price technology?

:dance2:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dingo on January 26, 2011, 03:22:04 PM
I have a few cores running as well.  It does not run on my 64 bit Linux as they have used a very new version of glibc and my distro and most distros will not have it.    But it runs well on my 64 bit PC's even though they send the 32 bit app,


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on January 26, 2011, 05:34:41 PM
As is sometimes the case there are just too many frogs I think. >:D  If we keep ze Chermans within sight we'll be doing well though.  :cool:

Nice idea for an AA on EVO though, an AA on a relatively new project I always find appealing.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Mike Mitchell on January 26, 2011, 10:25:38 PM
Okay you Silver Tongues you. I've added two PC's to see if I can help build up this project.  :yahoo:

However, I would like some assistance with CAS particularly as they now have a Linux application.   :wink


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dingo on January 26, 2011, 11:17:40 PM
However, I would like some assistance with CAS particularly as they now have a Linux application.   :wink


OK I put my only Linux PC onto CAS.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on January 27, 2011, 12:21:23 AM
Silver tongues, eh, haha.

Well I may have mozzed it, there is currently no work available. :cry2:

Alrighty, I'll give CAS a burl, yeeha! "Great horny toadies! I think I crunched all the way to Chinee!"   :rofl:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 27, 2011, 02:31:38 AM
Ain't it always the way? I put everything on it and the work generator went off line while I slept.  :furious:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on January 27, 2011, 02:42:00 AM
I don't mind them running out of work, but I think it is poor form to cancel WUs that are pending.  :thumbdown:

News

Already successful results!
Thanks to your help, I'm glad to announce that we have already made some really interesting discoveries! Let me tell you more about it.

The WU's processed at the moment are used to build and find the best model for the prediction of the secondary structure of proteins.
Before using BOINC, this tuning has been realized "by hand" by researchers. The best score was around 78%.
Before opening this project, I ran some beta-tests on a private Boinc project with some members of l'Alliance Francophone. In two days we reached a score of 79%.
During this week, thanks to your help, we reached a surprisingly high score of 86%. Unfortunately, this score is too high to be real. Indeed, it's turns out that we found a bug in the evaluation procedure. We have also discovered some new pathologic cases.

To sum up, by calculating for our project this week, you have helped to:
- Prove the efficiency of the Evolutionary Algorithm used (optimizer), as the mean of the scores keeps increasing every day!
- Find an important bug in the evaluation procedure (calculation of the score) leading to too high scores.
- Find some pathologic cases leading to scores of 100% or 0%.

During the next weeks we are gonna improve our application and correct the bugs.

I'd like to state again that what your are calculating for at the moment is just the first step of our research program and this is why interesting results can be found that fast. We hope to release the complete application as soon as possible.

As we don't like wasting computation time, I turned off the work generator and I'm gonna cancel the WU's still in progress tomorrow. There won't be any work for at least two weeks. After that there will be some batch of WU's released for debug purpose, so please stay tuned.

Thank you for your support! 26 Jan 2011 | 16:27:11 UTC


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 27, 2011, 04:40:55 AM
I posted a concern in their forum about cancelling wu's. I have 155 PV's and want to make sure they will validate them.

Well, I'm not sure where I am going next. The CPU's are idling and I brought up the GPU's (Einstein finished their maintenance and is back up). As I clean the machines every even numbered month, maybe I wiill get a jump on February and bring the farm down for a bit of a dust out.

 :aus1:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on January 27, 2011, 11:33:59 AM
Corker Dataman, thanks. :thumbsup:

I didn't think of him not realising because of being new to running a project.
I didn't have many pending, it was just the principle that offended.
It was so hot here last night, DNETC was down, MilkyWay still hadn't fixed their database and  CAS was running hot, so I turned the computer off and went to sleep.  :shock


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on January 27, 2011, 01:48:05 PM
Thanks. He emailed me to thank me too. He is very interested in keeping the crunchers happy. I just reminded him to also look at things from a crunchers point of view. Nice project ... too bad they will be down for a few weeks.

I had a full day at the farm.  :wink I cleaned all the machines and the racks.  :dance: Then I finally finished rebuilding Dataman01 and brought it back up. I had it all finished except for hooking up the PSU and then it sat on the bench for three weeks. The GTX460's are doing EinsteinGPU in 50 minutes, the GTX285 in an hour, the 260's in 1:15. Just for grins I brought up Dataman00 (2-core PentiumD with a 9800GT) and it is happily crunching eOn on two cores and an Einstein on the GPU but it takes 2:15 hours on the 9800GT.  :shock Currently I am just running cards.

v:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on February 09, 2011, 05:30:55 AM
2011-02-08: Evo@home - More information about this project
While you are waiting for new WU's I thought it could be useful to provide you some more information about this project.

An article concerning our research will be presented in two months at a conference. Of course this article cannot be published before the conference but here is a poster presenting the subject: http://www.jul-1.be/download/P02.pdf
Using BOINC and new optimizers, we hope to find even more accurate results!

Concerning the source code of this project, it is now available here. This source code evolves constantly and it is distributed under GNU GPLv3.

New WU's should be available by the end of this month.
 


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on March 12, 2011, 05:36:08 AM
Message 133 - Posted: 10 Mar 2011 | 13:48:27 UTC - in response to Message 132.
Last modified: 10 Mar 2011 | 13:51:20 UTC
Well, it's not really a breaking news, but we are late! I'm really sorry.

Some WU's should be available next week and I hope that the project will be stable and running fine in 10 days.
I'll try to post more detailed news asap to explain you what we are working on and why we are late.

Btw it's really nice to see that you are waiting for work! Thanks a lot for your support.

Again, sorry.

 


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on March 23, 2011, 12:16:16 PM
Evo has wu's. One wu/machine. Uses a lot of memory.
 :aus1:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Mike Mitchell on March 23, 2011, 09:19:38 PM
Ouch, I'll say! The one on my PC is using 345Meg  :faint:


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: LawryB on March 23, 2011, 10:15:04 PM
Yikes!!!  :shock Mine is using 1.223 Gb which is why their website says to set memory preferences carefully.  Should get interesting next week when there will be a lot of WUs and no restrictions.  Got 12 Gb on this quad so I might just test it out.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Mike Mitchell on March 23, 2011, 10:26:43 PM
Damn, that's a scary amount of RAM!  :shock


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on March 24, 2011, 12:45:32 AM
Yeh I'm plugging along doing a few while they are one at a time. If they stay at over 1GB per task I will have to give it a miss when the restriction is lifted. I'm pushing it running one task sometimes, current one is using 1.72GB. Honk, honk, make way for memory hogs!

With 4GB and 6 cores active my computer can't handle 2 such tasks running at once with another 4 cores of Einstein. Setting memory preferences won't help, it would just cause idle cores with "waiting for memory" if it "worked" at all. Not to worry, plenty of other projects with more reasonable ram requirements suitable for my machine. Can see I definitely need a Bulldozer soon with cantidades enormes de memoria.  ;D


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on March 24, 2011, 01:01:32 AM
I've run over a hundred on 5 machines with only 2 that blew up at the end. I don't know why but it wasn't memory. I agree with kashi. Most crunchers will not tollerate crunching a project with this amount of RAM usage. Throttling it in BOINC is NOT going to help. I think they should do what WCG did with CEP2 and allow you to choose how many threads to run on a machine.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: kashi on March 24, 2011, 01:24:10 AM
Yes it's a bit disappointing. I understand they need to use a lot of memory but even some with 8GB could still run into trouble with each task taking 1.5GB and sometimes more. Those with quads and 8GB would probably be OK, but those running 8 cores may need 12GB to avoid strife.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Dataman on March 24, 2011, 04:01:03 AM
ALERT!

At least for me, this project is leaking memory like a seive! I had to boot the entire farm this morning.  :furious: This project is going to require a lot of revision before it is ready for prime time.

 :oz:

EDIT: This may be happening only on Win7-64 bit.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: LawryB on March 24, 2011, 07:19:48 AM
My 12 gigs won't even be enough.  This isn't a memory hog it is a whole pig farm.  Watching the work units last night.  Started at 1.2 gigs, dropped to 256 megs then after 3 mins 48i seconds (the time it takes the zip file to sort itself out) it shot up to 1.979 gigs and stayed there until the wu finished.  Bye bye evo pie.


Title: Re: Project News
Post by: Mike Mitchell on March 24, 2011, 04:36:38 PM
The last Evo work unit needed 1.4GB on my laptop, which only has 2GB to start with. It locked up several times, restarted and finally failed. I've set the project to no new work for now. Might try again in the future but only if things improve.

Back to CAS for now.