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Public Category - Open to Public => OPEN DISCUSSION => Topic started by: turbo0 on September 13, 2023, 08:36:14 PM

Title: Power cost
Post by: turbo0 on September 13, 2023, 08:36:14 PM
Due to rising retail power cost my electricity per KWH went up 38% in July, I fear most people had similar rises. I am going to cross over to Amber energy and just pay fluctuation wholesale energy cost that should be lower. I am hoping to just schedule my crunching to when electricity cost are at there lowest price. I was wondering if anyone else has done something similar or if there is away to get live energy cost and develop some script or alert to crunch at specific times. 
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on September 14, 2023, 05:40:40 PM
Sadly I've just reduced my crunching. Power bill is killing me.  :thumbdown:
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: jave808 on March 13, 2024, 10:21:05 AM
I too have decided to crunch during the day only. I will kill off all my PCs overnight.

Current bill is $485, which is a bit for two people (Mum and myself). Also had air conditioning running for a fair bit during the day. Will cut back on that over the coming (hopefully cooler) months!
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Dingo on July 16, 2024, 01:16:22 PM
My electricity is going up again about $0.05 a kw/h and minus $0.01 for solar.  Daily service charge has gone up 11 cents a day.

Current Rates                                                                                  New Rates
Up to 31 July 2024                                                                      From 1 August 2024

Tariff                    Ex GST          Inc GST                                        Ex GST          Inc GST               
                                                             
Service to Property 91.000 c/day 100.100 c/day                          102.000 c/day 112.200 c/day
Peak                      26.200 c/kWh 28.820 c/kWh                            30.480 c/kWh 33.528 c/kWh
Shoulder                17.800 c/kWh 19.580 c/kWh                            21.500 c/kWh 23.650 c/kWh
Off Peak 14.500 c/kWh 15.950 c/kWh                                          17.800 c/kWh 19.580 c/kWh
Export 1 -6.000 c/kWh                                                                    -5.000 c/kWh
Peak: 7am to 9am and 5pm to 8pm weekdays and weekends, Shoulder: 9am to 5pm and 8pm to 10pm weekdays and
weekends, Off peak: All other times


PS:  I don't think I have mentioned this but in October I am going to Canada for six months.  The electricity price in New Brunswick Canada is a flat $0.11 a kw/h.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on July 16, 2024, 06:00:32 PM
Bloody electricity!! Makes me so angry that it's become a money making machine for companies instead of a basic, human necessity for people at an affordable price.  :compbash:

My gas has just gone up but we only have 2 choices in QLD so I'm going to ditch AGL & switch to Origin (until they follow suit and jack their prices up.

I hope you enjoy your time in Canada Dingo.  :can 
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: jave808 on July 16, 2024, 07:21:52 PM
Enjoy Canada Dingo!!!

I'm with Red Energy. Every fortnight I pay about $50 into my electricity account. It adds up and there's less shock at bill time!!!
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: tazzduke on July 16, 2024, 09:09:38 PM
Just popped in to say, have a nice safe trip to Canada, oh looky here, you will be there for a White Xmas lol.

Cheers

Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: cruncher Pete on December 07, 2024, 12:49:41 PM
Sorry guys but I can not pay for the Electricity and the Aircons running all day and half the night.  We have a heatwave condition in Brisbane with the forecast of 35C tomorrow and high 30's for the rest of the week.

I am turning off all machines bar two in my bedroom and  it will remain off for some time.  Have fun guys if you can afford the power.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on June 09, 2025, 10:26:56 AM
Wow  :shock
The other day I tested GFN-20 combined with and without my cpu crunching.
I was using $30.00/ day in electricity!!  :faint:
67.16kWh and 0.00 solar exported.

Crazy  :crazy
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Dark Angel on June 14, 2025, 01:43:29 PM
Got formal notice my power rates are going up on 1st July.
Was winding my rigs back to just my desktop but wanted to finish off the Denis work I had in cache.
So much for that.
Daughter's machine shat itself.  Replaced the CMOS battery because it was constantly losing time and now refuses to boot at all, so I've stripped my headless machine to get her going again.  Unfortunately that's where the Denis work was running.
If I can get the rig to boot again I'll finish it, but otherwise it's lost.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Dark Angel on June 14, 2025, 03:52:36 PM
Ok, back underway again.  Really didn't want to lose those Denis units.  Will still be shutting it down once they're done though.
Daughter's PC had a corrupted BIOS.  Managed to get it updated and working again.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: tazzduke on June 14, 2025, 04:20:14 PM
Excellent work on getting the PC back up and running.

Bugger about the Denis work units.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Dark Angel on June 14, 2025, 04:38:15 PM
I got both machines up and running again so I'll be able to get them done before I shut that rig down.  Not happy about it but without a big phat solar array on the roof it's just getting to expensive.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on June 15, 2025, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Dark Angel on June 14, 2025, 04:38:15 PMI got both machines up and running again so I'll be able to get them done before I shut that rig down.  Not happy about it but without a big phat solar array on the roof it's just getting to expensive.

It is mate.
Whilst I'm not giving up on BOINC, it's become a VERY expensive hobby with the prices of electricity & gpu's.
I hate having all these great cpu cores just doing nothing right now and that's purely because of electricity prices.
I really hope something is done regarding power prices in Australia. Surely business will go to the wall soon and maybe that's what it will take to doing something. Involencies.

Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Dark Angel on June 15, 2025, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: chooka03 on June 15, 2025, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Dark Angel on June 14, 2025, 04:38:15 PMI got both machines up and running again so I'll be able to get them done before I shut that rig down.  Not happy about it but without a big phat solar array on the roof it's just getting to expensive.

It is mate.
Whilst I'm not giving up on BOINC, it's become a VERY expensive hobby with the prices of electricity & gpu's.
I hate having all these great cpu cores just doing nothing right now and that's purely because of electricity prices.
I really hope something is done regarding power prices in Australia. Surely business will go to the wall soon and maybe that's what it will take to doing something. Involencies.

If it were just my gas prices going up (yep, them as well) I'd crank up more CPUs for the heat, but it's everything all at once.  F'n BS is what it is.  Power and gas are natural monopolies and should be handled by the state.  We have a 50MW hydro plant near here that almost never runs because the private mob that owns it decide is not "cost effective" and would rather run gas turbines instead.  That little hydro could be running 24/7/365, the dam has to release a minimum amount of water for irrigation and use by various towns down stream so they can't argue there isn't enough water release to spin it.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: jave808 on June 17, 2025, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: Dark Angel on June 15, 2025, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: chooka03 on June 15, 2025, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Dark Angel on June 14, 2025, 04:38:15 PMI got both machines up and running again so I'll be able to get them done before I shut that rig down.  Not happy about it but without a big phat solar array on the roof it's just getting to expensive.

It is mate.
Whilst I'm not giving up on BOINC, it's become a VERY expensive hobby with the prices of electricity & gpu's.
I hate having all these great cpu cores just doing nothing right now and that's purely because of electricity prices.
I really hope something is done regarding power prices in Australia. Surely business will go to the wall soon and maybe that's what it will take to doing something. Involencies.

If it were just my gas prices going up (yep, them as well) I'd crank up more CPUs for the heat, but it's everything all at once.  F'n BS is what it is.  Power and gas are natural monopolies and should be handled by the state.  We have a 50MW hydro plant near here that almost never runs because the private mob that owns it decide is not "cost effective" and would rather run gas turbines instead.  That little hydro could be running 24/7/365, the dam has to release a minimum amount of water for irrigation and use by various towns down stream so they can't argue there isn't enough water release to spin it.

Agree with you DA. The government at the time decided to sell off the grid and power stations, just for a few quick bucks. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Dark Angel on June 17, 2025, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: jave808 on June 17, 2025, 10:46:54 AM
Quote from: Dark Angel on June 15, 2025, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: chooka03 on June 15, 2025, 01:40:52 PM
Quote from: Dark Angel on June 14, 2025, 04:38:15 PMI got both machines up and running again so I'll be able to get them done before I shut that rig down.  Not happy about it but without a big phat solar array on the roof it's just getting to expensive.

It is mate.
Whilst I'm not giving up on BOINC, it's become a VERY expensive hobby with the prices of electricity & gpu's.
I hate having all these great cpu cores just doing nothing right now and that's purely because of electricity prices.
I really hope something is done regarding power prices in Australia. Surely business will go to the wall soon and maybe that's what it will take to doing something. Involencies.

If it were just my gas prices going up (yep, them as well) I'd crank up more CPUs for the heat, but it's everything all at once.  F'n BS is what it is.  Power and gas are natural monopolies and should be handled by the state.  We have a 50MW hydro plant near here that almost never runs because the private mob that owns it decide is not "cost effective" and would rather run gas turbines instead.  That little hydro could be running 24/7/365, the dam has to release a minimum amount of water for irrigation and use by various towns down stream so they can't argue there isn't enough water release to spin it.

Agree with you DA. The government at the time decided to sell off the grid and power stations, just for a few quick bucks. Ridiculous.

Well, it's was about six billion that they privatised it for (not counting what they got from foreign entities that have bought the infrastructure).  That's what had been set aside by the NSW Electricity Commission for future upgrades for lines and station upgrades.  The Greiner government wanted to get their sticky little hands on it to balance their incompetent budget, so the Commission was locked down and marked to be sold off and that money was suddenly available.  The people of NSW haven't stopped paying for that corruption ever since.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on August 16, 2025, 06:17:25 PM
Gee, If I run my gpu's on Einstein and my cpu's at 50% usage (so only on the cores) for LHC (day & night), it costs me $27/day.  :thumbdown:
Might have to go back to cpu only during the daytime.

I got a letter this week also telling me that the tariff rate is going up again. Between 6-9pm every day, the more I use, the more I pay :(
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on September 12, 2025, 03:49:08 PM
Another day and another change to my power bill!  :compbash:

So Energex have now changed my plan so instead of a flat rate of 44c/kwh, I now have -

Peak (4pm - 8pm) = 65.12c/kwh
Shoulder (7am - 4pm & 8pm - 10pm ) = 49.05c/kwh
Off Peak (10pm - 7am) = 41.85c/kwh

Plus a daily charge of $1.34/day.

I hate to say it but I might have to pause crunching between 4-8pm :(
I dunno about everyone else but I'm getting really angry about power prices!  :boom: It's out of control!
I'm spending $6000 year on electricity now and that's WITH solar. My solar credit for last month......$10.64.

So angry.  :compbash:
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Dingo on September 13, 2025, 01:16:03 PM
Quote from: chooka03 on September 12, 2025, 03:49:08 PMAnother day and another change to my power bill!  :compbash:

So Energex have now changed my plan so instead of a flat rate of 44c/kwh, I now have -

Peak (4pm - 8pm) = 65.12c/kwh
Shoulder (7am - 4pm & 8pm - 10pm ) = 49.05c/kwh
Off Peak (10pm - 7am) = 41.85c/kwh

Plus a daily charge of $1.34/day.

I hate to say it but I might have to pause crunching between 4-8pm :(
I dunno about everyone else but I'm getting really angry about power prices!  :boom: It's out of control!
I'm spending $6000 year on electricity now and that's WITH solar. My solar credit for last month......$10.64.

So angry.  :compbash:


That seems a lot.  My TOU charges with Red Energy Qantas account are:

Tariff Description UsagekWh RateperkWh Charges
TotalSolar*      22-      $0.04-    $ 0.88
TotalPeak        63        $0.3668  $23.11
TotalShoulder    229        $0.2792  $63.94
TotalOffPeak     299        $0.2398  $71.70
ServicetoPropertyCharge 29days $1.02/day $29.58
GST $19.93

I bought a small EcoFlow battery backup so try and run the computers during peak times off the battery.
They also have a terrific app that you can see your usage for the Bill Cycle, Monthly, Daily or last 12 months with one day lag so you see yesterdays today.  I am impressed with them so far.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on September 14, 2025, 10:38:12 AM
Geez.... Maybe I have unique rates because my power plan has a 28% pay on time discount applied?

Last month's bill -

Daily Charge - 31 days @ $1.34/ day - $41.60
Std Solar - 0.04c = $10.64 credit
Off Peak @ 0.12c/kwh = $241.00
Peak @ 0.65c/whr = $153.00
Shoulder @ 0.49c/kwh = $218.00

Total = $644.00 minus the 28% POTD = $472.00

Edit - So I just compared my plan with Red Energy's Living Energy Solar Saver and the net difference is $47.65 cheaper with Red Energy.

So it just looks to me like they get you either way. Creative accounting.
Give with one hand (28% discount) but take with the other (sky high tariff rates)

I roll off the pay on time discount in Aug 2027.

I should plug all this into chat GPT on the best way to reduce my power bill effectively.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: Cruncher Pete on September 14, 2025, 07:04:01 PM
Currently I am with Red Energy.  It is hard to figure out who is cheaper with the different options available.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: jave808 on September 29, 2025, 08:32:09 AM
Quote from: Cruncher Pete on September 14, 2025, 07:04:01 PMCurrently I am with Red Energy.  It is hard to figure out who is cheaper with the different options available.

Pete, there is this energy comparison website hosted by the government - https://www.energymadeeasy.gov.au/

I've switched my dad over to Amber Energy (moving from Origin Energy). Not sure how it'll go but they pay a better rate on solar energy exports back to the grid.
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on October 06, 2025, 10:00:19 AM
Well here's something I've learnt while away on holidays..... With zero crunching and being away, our house used about $1.20/day and the solar generated about $1.30/day. Sometimes more, sometimes less (depending on cloud cover)
Title: Re: Power cost
Post by: chooka03 on October 06, 2025, 05:59:16 PM
Wow.... so by not crunching for 5 days in Sept, it dropped my power bill from $472 down to $281.00  :boom:
Gee, now that I can see that in perspective......