Recently installed Kubuntu as a VM and then installed Boinc through a package manager.
When i run boinc i get a chdir error, i proceeded to investigate and discovered that it needs to be run with sudo privileges.
Why is it not doing this itself ?
How do i make it run with sudo privileges ?
Also been trying to get it to autorun on startup.
By rights it should have started automatically once you installed it, then you manage it using the Boinc Manager application (boincmgr). The client should start automatically as a service on boot.
I had problems as well with privileges. This fixed the problem for me.
Run these commands from a Terminal window
sudo systemctl start boinc-client // This just starts boinc
top // this will show the running processes to see if tasks are running.
If they are then you should be able to run BOINC Manager from the gui but if it does not start use the following.
cd /usr/bin
./boincmgr
When running these command note any error messages. If all went well and no error messages on reboot just run sudo systemctl start boinc-client
I still run mine manually as it does not start on reboot. Should look into it but it is in a VirtualBox and I start that up manually so just one more step to start BOINC.
Let me know how you go.
Quote from: Dingo on March 25, 2023, 06:59:26 PMI had problems as well with privileges. This fixed the problem for me.
Run these commands from a Terminal window
sudo systemctl start boinc-client // This just starts boinc
top // this will show the running processes to see if tasks are running.
If they are then you should be able to run BOINC Manager from the gui but if it does not start use the following.
cd /usr/bin
./boincmgr
When running these command note any error messages. If all went well and no error messages on reboot just run sudo systemctl start boinc-client
I still run mine manually as it does not start on reboot. Should look into it but it is in a VirtualBox and I start that up manually so just one more step to start BOINC.
Let me know how you go.
Boinc runs but no wu's start when i start the service.
Boincmgr needs sudo to run aswell
Boinc does not run automatically after being installed.
What command did you use to install?
Sudo apt-get install boinc boinc-client boinc-manager ?
Hi NudgeyNR
Might I suggest you spin up a VM running Linux Mint 20.2, here is the download link
https://linuxmint.com/download_all.php (https://linuxmint.com/download_all.php)
I installed it via the Synaptic program.
Either that, can you please tell us
Kubuntu Version
Kernel Version
Boinc Version
Also can you tell us the owner and group, do a ll command on /var/lib/boinc, which will give you all the details
Quote from: tazzduke on March 26, 2023, 11:09:06 PMHi NudgeyNR
Might I suggest you spin up a VM running Linux Mint 20.2, here is the download link
https://linuxmint.com/download_all.php (https://linuxmint.com/download_all.php)
I installed it via the Synaptic program.
Either that, can you please tell us
Kubuntu Version
Kernel Version
Boinc Version
Also can you tell us the owner and group, do a ll command on /var/lib/boinc, which will give you all the details
I used Discover Software Center on Kubuntu 21.10.
Kernel versiio - 5.19.0-38-generic.
Boinc version - 7.20.5
ll - lrwxrwxrwx 1 boinc boinc 12 Sep 13 2022 /var/lib/boinc -> boinc-client/
I hope that is everything.
Maybe it is where you are installing it from (the folder you run from when installing boinc). Is it desktop or some other? Where you a user or admin/root when you installed it?
I know on Manjaro Linux it matters where I installed Boinc from (arch linux uses pacman package manager) and make sure I am the user, not root. For simplicity I use the user home folder (cd ~) when I run 'sudo pacman -S boinc' and boinc project folders all get installed from there. If I installed from the desktop folder, then I'd have to run it from there. If you were the root user then there are issues with file ownership.
Always running from the folder I installed from creates no issues on arch.
Hi NudgeyNR
Thats a start, will do some further digging and see what I can come up with for you.
Cheers
Good Evening NudgeyNR
Well I went and spun up a Kubuntu 22.10
Completed the updates,
I installed the boinc software, using the muon package manager.
Need to add the normal user to the sudoers file, before it can do sudo commands.
To do this
Open up a Konsole and switch to root by doing the following.
Type in SU and press enter
It will ask for a password, this is normally the same one that you log in with.
Then enter the follwoing command
usermod -aG sudo username (username is the name of the normal user for the machine)
Once this has been done, reboot the machine.
Now you should be able to complete the following successfully.
Then you will need to do the following - in a normal user console.
1. start boinc service
sudo systemctl start boinc-client.service
2. to add user to boinc group
sudo /usr/sbin/usermod -G boinc -a $(whoami)
3. add read/write permission to
sudo chmod g+rw /var/lib/boinc
4. symlink as per Berkeley
ln -s /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg /home/username/gui_rpc_auth.cfg
"Where username is the actual username for the user of that machine"
Logout (or reboot) and log back in.
5. Start Client Service
sudo systemctl start boinc-client.service
6. Auto start the service on boot
sudo systemctl enable boinc-client.service.
FInd your BOINC shortcut in the menu and double click on it.
Hope this got you going, as it worked for me.
Oops forgot to add, if this has worked for you, next is to get the actual boinc-client to autostart on boot
goto application launcher
goto settings
goto system settings
select startup and shutdown
select autostart
select add (to add an application)
select system
select boinc
select ok
Now we should be all good and up and running.
Let me know how it goes. also allow for a bit of time difference and work schedule.
Regards
PS. Edited due spelling errors and also we were dealing with Kubuntu 22.10 which is different to Kubuntu 22.04.
Quick question - is a shortcut to enable a service to start on boot the following?
sudo systemctl enable boinc
Quote from: ryzenmulti on March 30, 2023, 12:41:32 AMQuick question - is a shortcut to enable a service to start on boot the following?
sudo systemctl enable boinc
This is the command to autostart the boinc service on boot (not the client though)
sudo systemctl enable boinc-client.service
Everything works with no errors until i try and create the symlink.
I get the error - ln: failed to create symbolic link '/home/boinc-4/gui_rpc_auth.cfg': File exists
I haven't gone any further that that as yet.
Also he is a link to Kubuntu 22.10.
https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.10/release/kubuntu-22.10-desktop-amd64.iso (https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/22.10/release/kubuntu-22.10-desktop-amd64.iso)
Okay, error is saying link exists, try going on with the next steps.
Also let us know how you went.
Tried the rest of the commands and it did not work.
Still have to manually run it via a sudo command.
Hi NudgeyNR
which command do you have to run as sudo??
On another note, you could also spin up another VM running Kubuntu 22.04 and then do the instructions (if you have the time or energy), cause it could be something to do with Kubuntu 22.10.
Regards
Bugger, its something to do with the extra security they implemented in Kubuntu 22.10.
I installed a fresh VM of Kubuntu 22.10, installed Boinc, via the package manager.
Then I had to do the following steps as well, this was after trying to start the boinc.client service. it told me my user was not in the sudoers file.
Add the normal user to the SUDO group by doing the following
Type SU in a konsole, this will switch to the Root, (should be the same password you use to login with)
Type in the following command usermod -aG sudo username (where username is the name of the user)
reboot the system.
That should fix it. I managed to get BOINC up and running on a Kubuntu 22.10 VM / BOINC Version 7.20.2
Regards
Quote from: tazzduke on March 29, 2023, 11:10:56 PMGood Evening NudgeyNR
Well I went and spun up a Kubuntu 22.10
Completed the updates,
I installed the boinc software, using the muon package manager.
Need to add the normal user to the sudoers file, before it can do sudo commands.
To do this
Open up a Konsole and switch to root by doing the following.
Type in SU and press enter
It will ask for a password, this is normally the same one that you log in with.
Then enter the follwoing command
usermod -aG sudo username (username is the name of the normal user for the machine)
Once this has been done, reboot the machine.
Now you should be able to complete the following successfully.
Then you will need to do the following - in a normal user console.
1. start boinc service
sudo systemctl start boinc-client.service
2. to add user to boinc group
sudo /usr/sbin/usermod -G boinc -a $(whoami)
3. add read/write permission to
sudo chmod g+rw /var/lib/boinc
4. symlink as per Berkeley
ln -s /var/lib/boinc/gui_rpc_auth.cfg /home/username/gui_rpc_auth.cfg
"Where username is the actual username for the user of that machine"
Logout (or reboot) and log back in.
5. Start Client Service
sudo systemctl start boinc-client.service
6. Auto start the service on boot
sudo systemctl enable boinc-client.service.
FInd your BOINC shortcut in the menu and double click on it.
Hope this got you going, as it worked for me.
Oops forgot to add, if this has worked for you, next is to get the actual boinc-client to autostart on boot
goto application launcher
goto settings
goto system settings
select startup and shutdown
select autostart
select add (to add an application)
select system
select boinc
select ok
Now we should be all good and up and running.
Let me know how it goes. also allow for a bit of time difference and work schedule.
Regards
PS. Edited due spelling errors and also we were dealing with Kubuntu 22.10 which is different to Kubuntu 22.04.
After the new change(s) everything is working as it should.
I had to redo all the commands then reboot.
Thanks for your time and effort tazzduke much appreciated.
You are welcome NudgeyNR
I have to redo my Kubuntu install again, I didn't give it enough hard drive space lol.
Cheers
Oh man, where was this post 2 weeks ago when I was fiddling with Ubuntu and Boinc!? I mean, it's probably my fault for not looking here 1st 😅.
Great info and awesome instructions Tazzduke.
I mainly run Fedora but loaded Ubuntu on my old laptops to bring em back from the dead and was unable to run Boinc via the repo Deb but the Flatpack worked and I think I was able to get the direct Boinc repo version working too... I can't remember now.
I'll be setting up 2 headless installs today and probs load up my t450 as well just for funsies.
Gday Lennox84
I found the information on the following link, which also helped getting a Fedora Workstation running boinc here last year.
https://www.overclock.net/threads/guide-installing-boinc-on-fedora-25-and-fedora-26-fedora-27.1633927/ (https://www.overclock.net/threads/guide-installing-boinc-on-fedora-25-and-fedora-26-fedora-27.1633927/)
Don't worry about the title, it should be fine with the latest version of Fedora.
Cheers
Thanks Tazz!
To be honest I had more issues trying to run Boinc on Ubuntu. I'm a Fedora daily user and these instructions https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Fedora worked a treat 1st go.
I just finished installing Fedora server on my HP Elitedesk 800 G2 and I thought for funsies I'll install Ubuntu Server on my HP Elitedesk 400 G3. They're both running i5 6500 so I was interested to see if there's much of a difference in performance as a comparison (I know it's not Apples to Apples but it's a start) Then I'll upgrade both with SSD's and re-install with the better performer which will remain the same for the next few systems I pickup and add to the mini-farm BOINC Garden?? LOL)
I've found the HP/Lenovo/Dell 6th gen of this type (SFF not the micro) are really cheap (Picked up the above for $60 & $70 each) so if I can add another 4-5 would be nice
Glad to hear Lennox84
I prefer Linux Mint myself, have tried a plethora of distributions except anything ARCH related.
Back in the days of running Seti, I just found Linux Mint came easy to me thats all.
Nowadays I run Linux Mint 20.2, cause it lets me run certain apps from LHC@Home.
Cheers
Ok So I'm a bit of a dumb dumb it seems. I wasn't correctly running BOINC with the Fedora instructions. It was as a flatpak LOL.
So I may need to switch to an Ubuntu Server install just so I can get it working:banghead
Oh geez... I'll spend the next 2 hours with Fedora but if it's a no go then I'll switch to Ubuntu Server and install from the ppa... Pretty sure that ran perfectly out of the box with the instructions from Berkeley...
I wonder if it's worth me just learning to compile BOINC myself for the long term?? Any thoughts?
I just use the version of BOINC on Ubuntu. sudo apt update sudo apt install boinc
A long time ago in 2003 I used to create my own BOINC to fit the Linux machine I had at the time. I think this script may still work Or you can use it as a reference.
If you are using Ubuntu then BOINC is installed to /usr/bin and not in /opt/boinc. Save as a file like loadboinc.sh and chmod +x loadboinc.sh
I have attached the file as a txt file as it would not let me paste the code into the message.
Thanks heaps for this.
So it seems I've been confused about my issue. Looks like I'm installing Boinc ok and it's active and all. But I'm trying to remote into my Boinc from Boinc Manager on my laptop and I can't see it like I can when I remote into the server and after some digging I think I might understand why but maybe not... Let's see how this goes.
Gui RPC is defaulted to 31416
I have my server running Boinc in a docker (See BOINC Unraid.png)
When I log into this from Select computer in Boinc Manager I see full task list etc.. (See Boinc Manager) and this is the kinda access I want to achieve because I need to link each system to bamSTATS so I can manage things remotely with groups etc..
But when I try and do this to my new box it never connects, it stays connecting unlike when I do so with the server (Says Connected).
I've attached the status results of the new box (See Big Boss CMD.png)
could it be a firewall issue? (See Big Boss CMD.png)
I never had that issue with my Server but maybe that's because Unraid did some cool stuff in the background?
I've been having the same issue on both Fedora and Ubuntu, So I'm thinking it's either a setup piece I'm missing of a network thing I'm missing but my Unraid server worked like a charm with no special setup.
Extremely appreciative of any and all assistance. Hopefully,Big Boss CMD.pngBoinc Manager.pngBoinc Unraid.png I don't sound like a complete buffoon.
My Unraid server has been running/crunching like a dream, so I'm trying to increase my footprint but I've gotta say this has been a real pain to try and get going.
By default Boinc will only allow manager access from the local host. To access it from another machine you either need to allow it universally in the cc_config.xml file (not reccommended for security reasons) or put the remote host's IP address or device name (if you have local name resolution)in the remote_hosts.cfg file.
The default content of the file looks like this:
# This file contains a list of hostnames or IP addresses (one per line)
# of remote hosts, that are allowed to connect and to control the local
# BOINC core client via GUI RPCs.
# Lines beginning with a # or a ; are treated like comments and will be
# ignored.
#
#host.example.com
#192.168.0.180
Personally I use IP addresses but I use static IPs for my crunchers and only one can access the others.
I and a few others use BOINC Tasks (https://efmer.com/boinctasks/download-boinctasks/) as you can set it up to see all your computers in one place and have all the functionality of BOINC Manager and much more.
You need the IP address and the password. The password ins in the BOINC folder file called gui_rpc_auth.xml
Ok that helps along with this doc too: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/RpcAuth
So the reason the Unraid setup works is it's loading Boinc with --allow_remote_gui_rpc but I'm not sure how I'd do that on my Ubuntu server setup because it auto-starts the standard Boin-client instance without that option... I'm assuming there's a way to do that but it's unknown to me how I would do that.
Would it be something like "Sudo systemctl enable boinc-client ----allow_remote_gui_rpc" ??
At least this file would be easy enough, much like the changes I make to the hosts file on my setups (I run a few static routes too so this is a similar exercise).
So this file should live in /etc/boinc-client if I'm not mistaken?? Jumping in now... Wish me luck
Quote from: Dingo on June 09, 2023, 08:50:44 PMI and a few others use BOINC Tasks (https://efmer.com/boinctasks/download-boinctasks/) as you can set it up to see all your computers in one place and have all the functionality of BOINC Manager and much more.
You need the IP address and the password. The password ins in the BOINC folder file called gui_rpc_auth.xml
But for this to work I'll need the solution from Dark Angel setup 1st right? or does BoincTasks circumvent that??
Don't get me wrong I like the look of it and will definitely look at it, but with my current problem, it would seem my Boinc installs aren't set up for remote access because the --allow_remote_gui_rpc option is not set so BoincTasks wouldn't have access if I'm understanding right.
Quote from: Lennox84 on June 09, 2023, 09:09:37 PMQuote from: Dingo on June 09, 2023, 08:50:44 PMI and a few others use BOINC Tasks (https://efmer.com/boinctasks/download-boinctasks/) as you can set it up to see all your computers in one place and have all the functionality of BOINC Manager and much more.
You need the IP address and the password. The password ins in the BOINC folder file called gui_rpc_auth.xml
But for this to work I'll need the solution from Dark Angel setup 1st right? or does BoincTasks circumvent that??
Don't get me wrong I like the look of it and will definitely look at it, but with my current problem, it would seem my Boinc installs aren't set up for remote access because the --allow_remote_gui_rpc option is not set so BoincTasks wouldn't have access if I'm understanding right.
You don't need to setup remote gui rpc as BoincTasks will connect if it has the IP and Password. Boinc does need to be started on the remote machine for it to work.
Success!!! Thank you all for the help.Success.png
Dark Angel the file worked in seconds so that's perfect
Dingo, seems like I went the long way round but I'm much smarter because of it... :BigGrin
I'll get the other systems setup and crunching then just so I can feel the raw achievement of the last few days of stress and then switch to BoincTasks moving forward because it just seems like a better solution but I've come this far already so might as well bask in the glory.
I'd prefer to use boinctasks over the Boincstats site to manage my systems I would think.
It's been a crazy last few days but I'm confident I've got my ducks in a row now... next step is XPAND LOL :gt
On the Ubuntu server, assuming you installed from teh repositories, the file where that option is permanently set is:
/var/lib/boinc-client/cc_config.xml
You need to either be su or run your editor with sudo to edit it.
Scroll through it and you'll see a heap of options.
AMAZING!! Giving it a crack now. That's exactly what I needed
Just an update tho...
On Ubuntu it's in /etc/boinc-client
a /var/lib/boinc-client exists too with the same default config as what's in the /etc/boinc-client directory - Not sure if they're symlinked or not.
I've been editing the files in /etc/boinc-client for the other changes because of this line on the Berkely site - (see pic) so I'll continue to make the modifications there unless something blows up, but it's confusing that they're duplicated in the 2 different locations. Unless "It's not a bug, it's a feature" ??
LOL After taking the screenshot to share point 3 answered my above statement LOL :rofl:Linked files.png
also the file cc_config.xml doesn't have the options in the file but there's a hyperlink that takes you to where all the options and log flags are: https://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/client_configuration
Either way, it feels good to finally start making some real progress. :yes
AHhh yes. The ones in /var/lib/boinc-client are also links to the others. I just checked my server install to see what was going on as I always access them from the directory I gave you and never noticed they are links.
These 403 error pages when I try to post legitimate content are getting very frustrating
Quote from: Dark Angel on June 10, 2023, 07:03:52 AMThese 403 error pages when I try to post legitimate content are getting very frustrating
Oh Ok so I was thinking that was just happening to me because I use brave... Obviously it's a wider issue.
Yes I agree it's a bit of a pain. Atleast we don't lose the data we tried to post so I can cut, reload and post.
When I was posting my bigger response below with attachments I was 💩ing bricks I needed to remember the whole thing again.
Has anyone successfully run Boinc flatpak with GPU crunching...?
Can't seem to run repo Boinc on Fedora 38 (Maybe building myself would be better as it seems likely a permissions issue but a bit above my Linux knowledge)
The flatpack works for CPU crunching no problem but it won't crunch on my AMD 5700xt (I had the flatpak on an old M4600 with an Nvidia m200 and it ran CPU and GPU no problem, but it was an ubuntu derivative hence my thoughts on Fedora being overly protective). It can see the GPU in the event log but it has computation errors and fails.
I don't know if I want to move to Ubuntu as my main distro but I'm pretty invested in building out a solid crunching farm and this issue is stopping my big rig to come only :-(
As always, all help is appreciated.
Quote from: Lennox84 on July 12, 2023, 11:54:52 AMHas anyone successfully run Boinc flatpak with GPU crunching...?
Can't seem to run repo Boinc on Fedora 38 (Maybe building myself would be better as it seems likely a permissions issue but a bit above my Linux knowledge)
The flatpack works for CPU crunching no problem but it won't crunch on my AMD 5700xt (I had the flatpak on an old M4600 with an Nvidia m200 and it ran CPU and GPU no problem, but it was an ubuntu derivative hence my thoughts on Fedora being overly protective). It can see the GPU in the event log but it has computation errors and fails.
I don't know if I want to move to Ubuntu as my main distro but I'm pretty invested in building out a solid crunching farm and this issue is stopping my big rig to come only :-(
As always, all help is appreciated.
You need to be running the proprietary GPU drivers to be able to use them for crunching. The open source ones just don't include the OpenCL/CUDA capability.
Thanks for that DarkAngel
So I've discovered more and a solution:
AMD no longer has proprietary drivers for Fedora as they are baked in (But no OpenCL Compute capability), they offer pro drivers but that's another story. What we really need is ROCM as that uses proprietary OpenCL drivers we need for Boinc (Compute)
Natively it didn't work for me however I used this guide for a docker image and it worked perfectly: https://hub.docker.com/r/boinc/client/#amd-gpu-savvy-boinc-client-usage
This Reddit was also helpful - https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/13lld18/help_how_to_install_amd_gpu_drivers/
Hope this helps someone in the future.
I'm going to see how I can leverage Docker for my Boinc setups moving forward too I think.